A friend of mine who is a financial advisor asked me about a third party administration (TPA) firm that is actually about a village over from where I live in Long Island. My friend has this prospect with a defined benefit plan handled by this TPA.
The name of the TPA brought a smile to my face and I quickly gave him a call. While I was the Director of ERISA Legal Service at a medium size producing TPA in New York City, I did interview at this TPA in question when my son was born almost 12 years ago.
The owner of the TPA interviewed me and said that the TPA I worked for was not in the TPA business, but in the asset gathering business and he was in the TPA business. He advised me the position would pay the same as my current job, but I would actually report to a paralegal as my supervisor. The owner of the TPA advised me that they battle quite a bit with the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) because they tend to push the envelope in plan design.
Between the lack of a pay increase and the fact that the company appeared to be small potatoes, I politely declined the job offer.
A year or so later, my TPA was going to take over a defined benefit plan and a 401(k) plan from a food wholesaler. I reviewed the 401(k) plan and the plan was in order. The defined benefit plan had an issue; the plan listed the normal retirement age of 35! This was prior to the IRS implementing a rule that any retirement age in a defined benefit plan less than 62 was suspect, unless facts about the specific industry that the employer was in showed that this was the standard retirement age in the industry. This is done to ensure that companies don’t make the defined benefit plan into an excuse to make excessive tax deductible employer contributions.
So I remarked to my boss that an age 35 retirement age in the food industry is unreasonable. I stated that it would be reasonable if it was a pension plan for Major League Baseball Players. Actually, a financial advisor who works with athletes proved me wrong, he said their retirement age is 42.
As it turns out, many advisors and other TPAs told me that the TPA down the road for me is really an insurance mill. All the plans are less retirement savings vehicles, and more like insurance holding entities. So while my firm was in the asset gathering business, the owner of that TPA was in the insurance selling business.
Insurance in a retirement plan is like drinking alcohol, moderation is key. A little plain vanilla, whole life insurance can be a great asset for any retirement plan. It is when I have seen plan sponsors forfeiting whole life policies because they no longer meet the huge premiums of the policies in the Plan, only to discover that their agent puts his needs instead of his clients.
It is no surprise that the IRS has been cracking down on abusive insurance funded, retirement plan vehicles.
I stick to what I know, so I don’t provide financial advice or administer plans. So I think insurance sellers masking as TPAs should stick to what they know, selling insurance.
